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	<title>Comments on: Call things by their proper names</title>
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		<title>By: anywavewilldo</title>
		<link>http://zetkin.net/proper-names-pornography/comment-page-1/#comment-522</link>
		<dc:creator>anywavewilldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sofie writes so very much better than Kit - but [and I&#039;m sure this not even a backhanded compliment]it&#039;s inexcusable that someone who writes so clearly should have come to defend the indefensible. Kit parrots Dworkin but Sofie could *be* Dworkin

Men need to stop porn - but dragging women in porn through a marxist meatgrinder won&#039;t stop it - it just doesn&#039;t have the flush and the vitality of women&#039;s anti-porn activism. I don&#039;t know what to do about that. Maybe it only works to cry &#039;WE are hurt&#039; and &#039;this is done to US&#039; - the cry is a great show of agency - it&#039;s a rebel feral thing. Men&#039;s anti-porn writing shouldn&#039;t be about women - so easily pity politics. It should be about men</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sofie writes so very much better than Kit &#8211; but [and I'm sure this not even a backhanded compliment]it&#8217;s inexcusable that someone who writes so clearly should have come to defend the indefensible. Kit parrots Dworkin but Sofie could *be* Dworkin</p>
<p>Men need to stop porn &#8211; but dragging women in porn through a marxist meatgrinder won&#8217;t stop it &#8211; it just doesn&#8217;t have the flush and the vitality of women&#8217;s anti-porn activism. I don&#8217;t know what to do about that. Maybe it only works to cry &#8216;WE are hurt&#8217; and &#8216;this is done to US&#8217; &#8211; the cry is a great show of agency &#8211; it&#8217;s a rebel feral thing. Men&#8217;s anti-porn writing shouldn&#8217;t be about women &#8211; so easily pity politics. It should be about men</p>
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		<title>By: loverlover</title>
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		<dc:creator>loverlover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was interesting to read this:

http://www.feminisms.org/blog/

and then your piece..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was interesting to read this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.feminisms.org/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://www.feminisms.org/blog/</a></p>
<p>and then your piece..</p>
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		<title>By: Porn, Rape and Consent &#171; Random musings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Porn, Rape and Consent &#171; Random musings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Buckland wrote a detailed response to some of the controversial statements in the article, to which Kit Withnail, author of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://zetkin.net/proper-names-pornography/comment-page-1/#comment-519</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read Kit&#039;s piece late last night and was pretty astonished by the arrogance. Men need to stop pretending to be shining knights in white armour, and young men need to stop pretending they know it all when they/we clearly don&#039;t. Superb retort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Kit&#8217;s piece late last night and was pretty astonished by the arrogance. Men need to stop pretending to be shining knights in white armour, and young men need to stop pretending they know it all when they/we clearly don&#8217;t. Superb retort.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Phoenix</title>
		<link>http://zetkin.net/proper-names-pornography/comment-page-1/#comment-518</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you so much for writing this.  it&#039;s brilliant, it needed saying and it needs repeating.  you say it well, better than i could ever express it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you so much for writing this.  it&#8217;s brilliant, it needed saying and it needs repeating.  you say it well, better than i could ever express it.</p>
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		<title>By: justinthelibsoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>justinthelibsoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent piece Sof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent piece Sof.</p>
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		<title>By: @hautepop</title>
		<link>http://zetkin.net/proper-names-pornography/comment-page-1/#comment-516</link>
		<dc:creator>@hautepop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 00:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hell yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell yes.</p>
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		<title>By: jemima</title>
		<link>http://zetkin.net/proper-names-pornography/comment-page-1/#comment-515</link>
		<dc:creator>jemima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 23:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If a sex worker cannot consent, even within more-or-less constrained circumstances, why does it matter when she is raped? The sexual assault of a sex worker becomes one with her work: if you cannot consent, under any circumstance, if your work is rape, then there is no concept of being raped, for you. Consent and non-consent alike become meaningless. And if this sounds like the attitude the police, the judiciary and the state have taken towards sex workers since time immemorial, that’s because it is; a pseudo-radical, pseudo-feminist bent on a patriarchal attitude, but a patriarchal attitude nonetheless.&quot;

This has disturbed me for 20 years, too long have feminist gone hand in hand with the more overt oppressors of women.Until they can understand sex is a choice, then they cannot understand the harm taking away that choice does.
Thank you for one of the best analysis of this i have ever read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If a sex worker cannot consent, even within more-or-less constrained circumstances, why does it matter when she is raped? The sexual assault of a sex worker becomes one with her work: if you cannot consent, under any circumstance, if your work is rape, then there is no concept of being raped, for you. Consent and non-consent alike become meaningless. And if this sounds like the attitude the police, the judiciary and the state have taken towards sex workers since time immemorial, that’s because it is; a pseudo-radical, pseudo-feminist bent on a patriarchal attitude, but a patriarchal attitude nonetheless.&#8221;</p>
<p>This has disturbed me for 20 years, too long have feminist gone hand in hand with the more overt oppressors of women.Until they can understand sex is a choice, then they cannot understand the harm taking away that choice does.<br />
Thank you for one of the best analysis of this i have ever read.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 22:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Written with real anger and panache. Thankyou.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Written with real anger and panache. Thankyou.</p>
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